5 Questions for Navrina Singh

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Happy Friday and welcome to the latest installment of our regular feature, The Future in 5 Questions. This week I put our list of questions to Navrina Singh, the founder of Credo AI, whose work lies right at the intersection of AI’s growth and its increasing attention from rulemakers.

Credo isn’t an AI development company per se — it’s a platform meant to help other companies ensure their AI tools comply with the rapidly growing constellation of laws, regulations and “recommendations” governing its usage. She understands both the rules and the underlying tech back to front, having served on the Biden administration’s National AI Advisory committee and worked on AI for several years at both Microsoft and the World Economic Forum.

We talked about her belief that governance can actually accelerate innovation, the limits of what AI can really do on its own and her view of the different philosophical approaches the U.S. and EU have taken to AI. Responses have been edited for length and clarity.

What’s one underrated big idea?

How governance actually can increase the benefits from artificial intelligence.

We've seen again and again where artificial intelligence has shifted from experimentation and iteration to actual production scenarios — across financial services, insurance, healthcare, educatio — how governance and having the right set of guardrails results in lower failure rates and more risk-aware systems. It results in more compliant systems. Governance actually can be a force multiplier for your technology bets.

What’s a technology you think is overhyped? 

AI itself, which is not going to solve all our problems. With new technologies like generative AI, if you don’t know the technology well you can very quickly be seduced by this idea of, “Oh my God, this is so powerful, It can solve all my problems.” But as you start unpacking the layers of how ChatGPT, as an example, responds, you start to sort of unpack how much unrealistic, non-factual information is in those answers.

You can't use these systems in high-risk scenarios, and that's what we are trying to unpack with generative AI governance this year.

What book most shaped your conception of the future?

If you think geopolitically about how technology is shaping the world, it’s “The World Is Flat” by Thomas Friedman, which is one of my all-time favorite books.

But when it comes to recent developments in artificial intelligence, I would say “Weapons of Math Destruction” by Cathy O'Neil, which is certainly one of my favorites. But there are still not enough books being written about why guiding this technology is going to be critical for how we shape humanity. That's the book I'm looking to write.

What could government be doing regarding tech that it isn’t?

I sit on the National AI Advisory Committee to President Biden, so it’s important to qualify that this is my perspective and I’m not speaking on behalf of the committee.

For the past seven years, I've looked across the globe to Europe, Canada, Singapore, the U.S. and China, to see what governments are doing and not doing. I think there's a wake-up moment happening right now among governments that are recognizing there needs to be the political will to put guardrails around tech. The way that you can put the right guardrails is not just by policymakers getting together, but through an open and honest multi-stakeholder public-private discourse.

But what's not happening well is that we need to move toward a better understanding particularly of artificial intelligence. We need to move much faster to come up with mechanisms to make AI governance a reality. As an example, some sort of transparency reporting or disclosure reporting in terms of how a company is acquiring AI, or how they're building artificial intelligence systems, is a fantastic step that government can mandate to ensure AI is actually in service to the citizens.

What has surprised you most this year?

The reception that generative AI technologies have received in the past year, given that so many people like myself have been working on these technologies for a long time. Seeing consumers use it so quickly, and seeing the scale that these generative AI technologies have reached over the past six to seven months, has been astonishing for me. I’m excited to see how governance is going to start reining in generative AI’s use in critical applications.

 

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what ai can't do

And now, for some counterprogramming: Eli Dourado, the popular Twitter wonk and senior research fellow at the Center for Growth and Opportunity, would like to throw some cold water on the AI party.

In a blog post yesterday, Dourado made the case that the transformative power of AI will be fairly limited. Housing? Medicine? Energy, transportation? These are hard political issues, with scores of immovable human stakeholders that stand in the way of true tech-driven transformation. Instead he makes the case that the major “disruption” AI generates will be in the world of media, where, as he put it, “The First Amendment ensures the industry is open to all.”

Dourado cites Neal Stephenson’s sci-fi novel “Fall, or Dodge in Hell,” which posits a world where a flood of AI-generated false content requires every human to have their own personal editor. Which means he’s pessimistic about the benefits of AI media disruption, too: “Large language models like ChatGPT can write, but they are unable to curate their own output,” Dourado wrote. “They are unable to make it consistently good… in a world of unlimited content, I only want the works of staggering genius. It’s not clear that a model trained in some sense to give the average next token can ever produce something so far above average.”

chatgpt in the classroom

Okay, one more shot of AI before the weekend.

Ethan Mollick, an author and associate professor at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, penned a brief Substack this week on how he’s already integrating ChatGPT into his business classroom. Mollick’s approach is to introduce it to his students not as a tool that will fundamentally change their pedagogical experience, but one that will support the same basic skills they’re trying to develop in the class.

“Producing good AI-written material is not actually trivial. Getting an AI to produce meaningful content requires both topic expertise and skill,” Mollick writes. “I am providing them with my guide to using AI to write, and asking them to both credit the AI and provide the prompts they are using when they turn in the essay. They will learn how to use the tool even as they apply it.”

Mollick acknowledges that although his experiments might not work — they are, after all, experiments — simply bringing the tech into the classroom has its own benefits: “...while the sudden advent of generative AI may be disruptive to educators, it is even more disruptive to the futures of the students we teach. We need to give them the skills to thrive in a transformed world by embracing what AI can do.”

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